If the animal got a vote I’m guessing it would go with not being shot. And as the range increases, so does the brutal domination. Count the seconds between the explosion and how loud the *boom* was that many miles away. r/Hunting: Hunting related news and personal stories. Guess what my #1 shooting iron is - yes it's the .308 Interestingly, I was reading some deep end stuff on terminal ballisitcs yesterday, and part of the science was about how an arrow with approx 50 fl lbs … I do like my .308 battle rifle and it shoots well for what it is. I would *LOVE* to see the math where a peak 6.5 CM hunting load overtakes a peak .308 WIN hunting load at 160 yards. For this, we’ll use Hornady’s ELD-X projectiles loaded in Hornady’s Precision Hunter ammo. As the saying goes, “There is no replacement for displacement.”. The first that comes to mind is the .308 Winchester. Er…I meant mentioned below…sorry about that, Legacy. With my 338/378, they drop on the spot….. When can I buy that Hill Country .270, the Kimber Montana .308 and the McMillan .308. Check with your local Wal Mart and look for a 30-06 bolt action, some of those are selling for around the $300 mark. if true, I wonder how 6.5 would compare in that regard. My house immediately smelled better when I ditched my PTR 91 for my Savage 10 FCP… IN 6.5 CREEDMOOR! “How does the 6.5 do in terms of barrel life?”. So many people with absolutely zero sense of humor…. That gun shoots sub MOA. So, unless one is an absolute natural, who does not need significant practice, the .308 is better, because when you take it to the range you don’t have to have a sit and cry between each shot at the cash you just sent down range. They move through the air very well, while still providing enough mass in a preferred sectional density to damage tissue. Permit Allocations & Moose Lottery Odds How We Determine the Number of Permits to Issue. With cast boolits a factor of 10. There you have it, dull old .308 on the left. I had trouble as well until I switched mounts to Talley one-piece and they locked down tight, never budged. the author has steered me away from it. A bullet of the same mass in a smaller diameter will have a higher sectional density, and therefore better penetration (in theory). You pose a great question. Was pathetic then, even more so now. Just a matter of how good of a marksman are you. Because USSOCOM (U.S. Special Operations Command) found that, as compared to flat-footed .308 (specifically M118LR, the military’s best long-range .308 load), 6.5 Creedmoor doubles snipers’ hit probability at 1,000 meters, increases effective range by at least a third, increases energy on target by 50%, reduces the effect of wind by 40%, and has at least 30% less recoil, they will begin converting their .308 Win MK110A1 and Mk20 rifles to 6.5 CM in 2019 (see here and here). The harder you push on the pill, the more friction tends to tear up your barrel…. Jeremy touches on it in the article, but, essentially, dismisses it. I have several headshots with that rifle sub 175 yards. I was even able to sit my own misses. No surprise. Folks here arguing about 1st world issues. These shooters had abandoned the .30 calibers for the most part and moved to the much more aerodynamic … One shouldn't ignore the logistical side of choosing a cartridge. Or shooting at your old, worthless .308 rifles. And it recoils with 30% more force, making it harder to spot your own impacts and less pleasurable to shoot. More bullet types in 30 caliber than 6.5 by FAR. Does everything I need doing. @I Haz A Question — 100% agree. Was your wind call on? On the other hand, if we look at a typical .308 target load that’s shooting the gold standard 168 grain Sierra MatchKing BTHP projectile, you’ll be dealing with 430.6 inches of drop and 106.3 inches of wind drift in those same conditions. The full video will be out this week, stay tuned! I have in the past. Anton Solomyr One shot and down. Any information would be appreciated. So how is the 6.5 better than the .308 at hunting ranges? At the same time, a lighter projectile means significantly less felt recoil and easier spotting of your own shots. You can get high Bc’s in any bullet size. To the folks saying you can’t find 6.5 Creedmoor everywhere: last time I was at Wally World there were twice as many SPOTS on the shelf for 6.5 as there were for 308. No contest. Ballistics of .260 Remington and 6.5 Creedmoor are typically about identical. For big game hunters, the added energy might be a necessity. Luckily the shooters both had experience and the Elk afforded them follow up shots. Sorry but when SMOD* comes, those of us using 308 win, .30-06 and common military calibers will have ammo. Either way, though, both the .260 and 6.5 will blow the Velcro clean off a .308 shooter’s shoes at 1,400 yards. What makes a 6.5 to 7mm projectile so desirable to shooters? He dragged you around by your nose. That’s because my feeder is in a field, of which the close side is 400 yards from my back porch, and the far side is 500. How about .270? Smack him with a e tool, grab the beer and run like a striped assed ape. Duh. premium partition style bullets, while giving the high velocity, flat trajectory and low recoil of the much lighter 150gr. Due to their flat base design, Pro-Hunter bullets are an excellent… Moose are big critters, I'd also prefer the heavier 165-180 gr bullets. Retained energy, or even muzzle energy, don’t matter if you miss. Don’t worry about the case yet. Moose Lodge v. Irvis, 407 U. S. 163 (1972); Sierra, Club v. Morton, 405 U. S. 727 (1972). It is the larger cartridge by means of COAL, it uses the same amount of powder, it has significantly higher max pressure and “overbore” ratio, and still falls behind energywise for the biggest part of its effective range. But the argument isn’t about what’s good enough. Oh well. This article is like one of those sketches. Cheap surplus FMJ that barely groups on the target at 100yds isnt going to teach you anything meaningful as far as training goes. Whether you can do that and get something you want to shoot is a whole ‘nuther issue. He's going with me either way. Alternative rock band from Nice, France. Plus, more superheated gases constricted into that tiny tube. Totally false for the two rounds used for comparison in this article. Typical dipshit relying on graphs and charts vs. common sense. Looks like gross negligence is in play. Certainly it is adequate. However, this is rarely practical. Pm me and I can provide more information to those who need to rid themselves of their inferior gear, free of charge! I decided to let the groundhogs tell me when it’s time to retool. Well yeah….he’s funny as shit if you dint take it too seriously. So I spun my 20″ 1/10 Bartlein barrel on my AI AT, and went to work. The hunters headed out of the canyon with their prize packed on their horses, but Winters had a dilemma to deal with. Mostly because I’m afraid over penetration could vaporize the forest. TTAG’s own Gov. Big chunks of lead is what they use to kill mean black cows and yellows kitty cats in Africa. 9pt with a kicker. This is also .308 necked down to .264 caliber, but .260 Rem retains the same shoulder profile and its resultant longer case length. 3. Looked like a car vs deer thing. I’ll keep the Swede ……. The savings on .308 over 6.5 Creed ammo (comparing apples to apples) are negligible. 308 and the 168 bthp is still and will be a benchmark round for precision work, that isnt going to change anytime soon with the advent of better rounds. At the end of the day, I understand the continued appeal of .308 in a semi-auto “battle rifle.” I don’t understand why anyone would still buy a .308 bolt gun or semi-auto sniper system (SASS) type rifle, though. I doff my smelly, sweaty hat to you, kind sir! The longer bullet with the same mass will have an increased sectional density, and will (at the same velocity) tend to penetrate more deeply. But range time, and, therefore, cost, really is king. My working rifles and ammo stockpiles are in NATO calibers for reasons of cost and availability. Cheap to reload. If I was buying one or the other it would be .308. A .308 would have a barrel life of about 7500- 10000 rounds. After that, everything is a crapshoot (pardon the pun). But the argument isn’t about what’s good enough. and all going as planned .... would think 3-400 as max. The 150gr. This is great and all, in fact I loved my 6.5 barrel…until I smoked it out in 2613 rounds, in a single year of competition…something this article never mentions is barrel life. Since this “kill zone” is about twice that found on medium game, you might think that hunters should be able to hunt these giants at ranges beyond 300 yards. — 8.86 feet vs 4.5 feet), and goes transonic at just 63.2% of the distance as the 6.5. It wasn’t funny two years ago, it’s not funny now. Any company can produce a bad example. As a beginner considering percision shooting without breaking the bank and not having a 6.5 CM or 308 win rifle, 6.5 CM was the clear choice for me. It actually presents a rock-solid case for ballistic performance — and has fun with it. And guess which round you can afford to shoot a whole lot more, and, therefore, get better with? I’ve heard on here, from gunsmiths, and from users, barrel life of the 6.5 CM is a maximum of about 3000-3500 rounds and peak accuracy for about half that. By that time the throat ahead of the chamber would be eroded and shots would drop low. The Scandinavians have been taking large animals with the 6.5×55 Swede for 100 years or more. Target Rifles. That, and most people who think they can hit at 400+ yards can’t reliably hit at 400+ yards…. Compare and contrast is ok, but don’t do it like an immature child. I knew what you meant, but look again at Jeremy’s data. Feh. Like the .30-06 Springfield, the .308 Winchester quickly caught on with the shooting and hunting communities and has served as the parent for many other cartridges (like the .243 Winchester, .260 Remington, 7mm-08 Remington, .338 Federal, and .358 Winchester). My average buck weighs 175-190 lbs. Fervent wish is that someone would do the same for a high cap Tok. . Also, they actually had some 6.5CM on the shelf where the other spots were empty, and have been for months. Clearly he has no knowledge of reloading, ballistics, or even shooting. To many projects, never enough time. .338 Lapua, baby. What? amazing how it took hundreds of years to tighten things up for the commercial market. If you have youths and women the selection would start with the .243 Winchester nothing smaller with a good 100 grain bullet, light recoil. He replied, with a stammer in his voice, “Well, I’d never sell them. Rolling your own, of course, can help by controlling bullet seating depth, as those VLDs usually like to be up against the rifling lands when chambered. I still like 308 because I have 308 Ammo and rifles. The best I was able to get from an ME at autopsy was that it was probably a small caliber centerfire rifle. https://imgur.com/MTabJKI (and this is for lower 415MPa CIP pressures in the 308Win). Amazing. For work on Elk out to six hundred yards I would look at the 300 SAUM or the 300 WSM. Kinda like a LGBTQ Studies Department at a religious university. This is the same firearms expert who testified under oath that you can’t shoot slugs through a shotgun with a full choke barrel. Barrel life on a 308 is about 10,000 rounds while 6.5cm is about 3,000. One added bonus of the .308 Win is that it has less recoil than the .30-06, which translates into slightly better accuracy. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. Straight 10x on it so I don't shoot that far but had done well at 800 for me on steel. Neither bullet is recovered. Haz, the farther the bullet goes, the more energy the 6.5CM has over the .308 Win. I think that was the original title of the article, but it was deemed inflammatory and edited out — probably a good decision, considering how many people were triggered by the article as-is. The example given was 300 yards. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot/kill at 800yds with a properly built 308 at an elk. All else in the ignore pile, balanced perspectives are key. It's been 24 years of applying every year since I drew a Montana moose license. but I don’t need it and I don’t/wont have many 10mm firearms. Capable of being fired from the same magazines through the same firearms as the sad .308/7.62 NATO, the 6.5’s main advantage comes from its use of longer, more aerodynamic 0.264″ diameter bullets. Or all of it if you go for the really heavy .30cal stuff (which in turn will obviously drop some more, but is easier to compensate for than the wind drift that otherwise does hurt the 308 quite a bit). In .308. I own both and pretty much only shoot .22lr. Shooting a moose is a once-per-lifetime event for most hunters. In target shooting, however, there is simply no comparison in performance, that is 100% to the 6.5 CM. I do this regularly at varied ranges and I hunt deer at these ranges and beyond but I also turn down a lot of shot because I know my gear. In hindsight, I think we now agree that small arms development is too important to be left in the hands of government bureaucrats and rent-seeking military contractors. I prefer to choose common easy to find calibres, especially those used by military and law enforcement, such as the 308 nato, because if times ever got really bad, it wouldn’t be hard to find 308 from government operators, even being able to pull ammunition off a 240 belt. Barrel life is obviously not as good as .308 Win but much better than some here seem to believe. This juvenile mentality seems to be prevalent in the gun community as well as “gun journalism”, which is very off-putting. Now let's talk about why we need to kick the Hornady's nest into mainstreaming the 7mm Creedmoor/GDC…. This article was originally published in 2018. Choosing the .308 Winchester dumpster fire over 6.5 Creedmoor in a rifle that will shoot primarily high quality ammo is a mistake. 1200lbs) with the Snakebite Compound Bow. not much difference at 200yds, or even 400. I call that clever. Now, that’s one of the very best case scenarios on the commercial market for .308 Winchester. Heaven forbid, but if a grizzly charges, you can show me how much better your 5 plus 1 bolt action 6.5 Creedmoor is inside of 200 yds in that circumstance. Ill bet you own a Rock Island 1911 too. Because Beirut has a well-deserved reputation for ‘accommodating’ such shipments. Do you really think .04″ larger diameter entrance hole will make that much of a difference? The argument is about what is better. Barrel life is excellent. Probably half of those are between 400-500 yards. The 6.5 CM is rated for a higher maximum pressure but .260 Rem has slightly (1.9%) more powder capacity. Then you clearly missed the point of this article. Port owners, or officials in whatever serves as their port authority were under house arrest according to what I read. If one is on the fence…like I am…what should I be looking for in a 6.5 CM? Will it kill a moose of course it will so will a 30-30. Several antelope and elk sub 400also. I was talking about reasonable hunting distances. Take that lazy, rounded corner, 20-degree .308 shoulder and sharpen it up, give it a 30-degree angle, neck it down a little more, and you have the 6.5 Creedmoor. To put things into perspective – the 6.5 is not some tiny miracle round: Yep .243,.260,.7-08 all capable of the same. North of 2,000 rounds through a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel and you’ll be looking at 8″ groups at 500 yds. LOL….My bench rifle is a Savage .308 and will hold sub-moa if I do my job right. The debate is silliness. Target shooting has no repercussions (other than losing). However, shot placement is critical for an answer. Especially the extra low drag type with a secant ogive. Now if you build systems of personal protection you might want to consider a more common/compatible round. the more i read about early swiss and/ or mauser rounds the more i think we’ve been suckin’ hind titty. Then again, if you’re shooting a semi-auto and think of it as more of a short range battle rifle and want to train a lot, have fun blasting away with it, and/or are happy as long as you’re at least “minute of bad guy,” then you can get into steel-cased .308 for about $0.32 and up [ED: mid 2020 prices start at about $0.59 for steel cased]. It’s all about hit percentage. Sierra Pro-Hunter Rifle Bullets .30 cal/7.62mm .308" 125 gr SPT 100/ct …excellent target bullet and has been used with great success. , I felt an extra measure of sardonic today. Regardless I’ll be staying with 308 Winchester and am currently trying to find the most accurate load for the Hornady 178 GR ELD-X using IMR 4064 vs the Sierra 175 GR HPBTMK. If you actually read the article, he compared the best precision .308 rounds available to the exact same rounds for the 6.5 CM and still found the 6.5 outperformed the .308 in every category. Ultimately, it’s easier to get a few FPS more velocity out of the .260 as it’s easier and safer to use extra case capacity than to push the max pressure boundary. I resisted for a bit, and now have a 20″ 6.5 CM AR-10 and a Bergara HMR Pro as well. Besides check the nads frequently for leeches? There are lots of moose in Scandinavian countries that get put down with 6.5 x 55 Swede,so find a good bullet,practice your shot placement and good luck. New calibers are so they can sell new rifles. However, the question was concerning the 308 and I assume Win. He lives outside of Austin, TX. I’m pretty sure Jeremy S. Doesnt take it too seriously. One way. I need one that will kill moose and not damage the meat on a deer too much (my 300 win mag puts a nice hole in them) and what type of bullet ( 180 grain , 150 grain) distance of max 350 yards recoil not really a probleme thanks. For barrel life, 308 for the win. Heavier recoil, and more wind reading is just the ticket to becoming a better long range shooter. Get a life! You have to wonder why SOCOM moved away from the 6.5 Creedmoor after a lot of hoopla about its ability to hit at range easier than the 308. Less than 7 pounds and recoil is almost non-existent. In the last 15-20 years I’ve only known one person to have trouble with a factory new Savage. I’ll leave that to the military/LE experts, as that’s outside my wheelhouse. Or even your 5 plus1 bolt action 6.5 Creedmoor. This 6.5 is going almost 50% faster at 1,000 yards and has 94.2% more kinetic energy than this .308. Especially in today’s ammunition short world. Remember how SNL would put out a sketch now and then where you got the joke in the first five seconds, didn’t think it was very funny, and then you realize that one crappy joke is about to go on for eight more minutes? Well ... yes with good Hunting Bullet, proper placement, etc. “Capable of being fired from the same magazines through the same firearms as the sad .308/7.62 NATO, the 6.5’s main advantage…”. @merp you can get Winchester 6.5 Creedmoor for about $15/box and there are more and more companies coming out with budget friendly load offerings. I don’t believe in game hunting beyond 400 yards, and believe the best shots are within 200 yds. I love the venerable little .308 win. How does the 6.5 do in terms of barrel life? I always theorized that the caliber of choice for the bush wars was .308 because of resistance to deflection by branches and underbrush. Hunters that fail to collect and bring canine teeth and ovaries out of the field will be asked to return to kill site and retrieve them. I'm sure you can kill an elk which much smaller calibers than a 308 at 600 yards in one shot but having packed elk out I personally would like to drop them where they stand instead of chasing them further up or into the mountians. The ammo-availability argument no longer holds water. I take 30-40 deer a year. Could it be that real world terminal performance beat out the first round hit ability of the 6.5? It’s a beast. Which they aren’t since the 6.5 will hit at a higher velocity with greater penetration than the .308 with the same weight expanding projectile. 1. While porky .308 is about 250 ft-lbs of energy more powerful at the muzzle, a match 6.5 CM load has already surpassed a match .308 load’s retained energy after only 160 yards of flight. These are not the same thing. I have a Accuracy International AX with a Dave Tooley chambered 6.5 CM Bartlein barrel with just shy of 3000 rds. The three rounds you can find in many a gas station or store here in the mountain west are: – .30-06 (not .308) Barnes TTSX bullet expands and then penetrates as deeply as most 200gr. As far as I can tell, that would mean almost identical barrel durability, wouldn’t it? One is .308. This Super Charged 308 Win. >308 is not going anywhere anytime soon, neither is 30.06, neither is 7.62×39. Having a bolt gun chambered in 308, the same as a battle rifle platform such as a SCAR-H, FL or AR10, is Very advantages, especially from a logistical and financial point if of view. Outside of special ops the supply chain issue is a huge challenge. Is happening on all pages, and regardless of which browser I try. To me it kinda smells like a gunrunning ship had an ‘Oops’, or Israel made sure someone’s munitions didn’t get delivered as ordered. And, oh, so very true! 934 likes. For when the møøse you’re hunting is wearing body armor. 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